Xone92, X1, audio10, Traktor + Maschine
Xone92, X1, audio10, Traktor + Maschine Posted on: 21.10.2013 by Elicia Michalak Hi all,Can you please tell me if my setup is correct? My speakers are plugged on the record out on the xone92 My 2 traktor x1s are plugged on a usb hub (I'm of course running traktor) Ni Audio 10 is plugged on my mac 4 RCAs plugged from the out of the soundcard on the 4 lines of the xone92 If everything is correct how would you plug maschine? Many thanks for your help Cheers, J | |
| Elicia Michalak 12.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by makar1
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| Alphonso Deitchman 11.01.2014 | The KA6 only has 2 analogue stereo outs; the 3rd out is digital which won't work on the 92 |
| Elicia Michalak 11.01.2014 | Frankle, or anyone, the guys at the store sent me a komplete Audio 6 instead of a TA6. Do you believe I should send it back or can I use the KA6 for what I want to achieve i'm quite lost there. I don.t need the scratch option, i only need to plug maschine via live on the 92 and use aux 1 and 2 for effects' on all 4 decks of traktor... Please guys help me. Thanks Edit : Nevermind the Ka6 is cheaper than the Ta6 they made a mistake I'm calling them Monday... |
| Alphonso Deitchman 09.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by frankle
Here's your fullsize Flickr file anyway http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3675/1...f5da1bc7_b.jpg |
| Elicia Michalak 09.01.2014 | Just ordered a TA6 crossing fingers for the setup to work. On an another note just trying to figure out what is magda using as a controller or effects in this vid on the left side of the 92 beside the K2? Thanks yall J. |
| Elicia Michalak 02.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by frankle
I just saw the post on NI community s. Many thanks for your answers I see things clearly now!!! The only thing I'm very worried about running a UC + a TA10, or a TA 6 (or TA2MKII) + a TA 10 is the latency problem since I will have to agreggate them. What's your take on this? I know that 2 UC would be the best option but it's a bit expensive for now... I am therefore looking at maybe adding a TA6 to the setup... Also have you ever heard of the Echo AudioFire 12? It has 12 annalog in and out... I believe it can also be a good pick, no? On another note : where do you play in Melbourne? My wifes' sister lives there with her husband. He is from Melbourne. Thanks for your help. J. |
| Temple Cervelli 24.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by j0h4n
I'm not sure what version of Ableton you will need, intro might work, I just use Ableton live 8, private message me on here I can hook you up. I have just upgraded to mavericks OS X 10.9 and have now only just started to have latency problems, otherwise, no. |
| Delena Katherman 24.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by j0h4n
Also, you don't need Ableton Live to get things synced up correctly (assuming you are just trying to sync Traktor and Maschine). |
| Elicia Michalak 03.01.2014 | Aite thanks for the captcha and the tutorial! let me try that! I'll get a TA6 first and sell it for a UC if latency is an issue... Cheese pay the bills indeed! hehehe! Cheers, J. |
| Margareta Mogilevsky 02.01.2014 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/71870188@N08/11716564734/ So what's the best way for me to link a photo or screenshot? Is there somewhere better to host these than Flickr? I tried uploading it directly but it squashed it so much that it wasn't easy to read ... Thanks! |
| Margareta Mogilevsky 02.01.2014 | No need to aggregate anything. Traktor only uses 1 soundcard, but Ableton can use 2, TA2mk2 for 4 outputs, and the TA10 for input. I've done a basic setup using my TA10 and Z1 (basically a TA2mk2 soundcard). I'll upload a screenshot later (posting from iPad) ... You'll need to setup Maschine to have its own outputs from Ableton, let's say use (in my example) Z1 1/2 (stereo), and then your Ableton Effects Bus will be TA10 3/4 (stereo) input and Z1 3/4 (stereo) output. You will need to mess around with the buffer size a little to get the right CPU load, and then get your midi offset right so beats line up. Regarding side note: I play commercial gigs these days (cheese pays the bills, lol), The Exchange Hotel Port Melbourne on Friday evening s, and I'm on the roster for Transport Hotel at Federation Square in Melbourne CBD playing most Saturdays, sets vary from 3 hours standard to 6 hours (like this Sat, 8-2). Both gigs are a mixture of current top 40 remixes, R&B and what I call remixed retro, so old tracks that people know with a decent beat behind them. Remix decks are starting to be my friend with remixed retro, allowing me to use the original older tracks with a variety of loop samples under them to give them some decent thump. Anyhow, enough shameless self promotion |
| Elicia Michalak 02.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by frankle
I just saw the post on NI community s. Many thanks for your answers I see things clearly now!!! The only thing I'm very worried about running a UC + a TA10, or a TA 6 (or TA2MKII) + a TA 10 is the latency problem since I will have to agreggate them. What's your take on this? I know that 2 UC would be the best option but it's a bit expensive for now... I am therefore looking at maybe adding a TA6 to the setup... Also have you ever heard of the Echo AudioFire 12? It has 12 annalog in and out... I believe it can also be a good pick, no? On another note : where do you play in Melbourne? My wifes' sister lives there with her husband. He is from Melbourne. Thanks for your help. J. |
| Margareta Mogilevsky 02.01.2014 | I replied in your NI community
thread but since you've been here today here we go: You'll need at least the UFX if you want to only use 1 soundcard. 12 analogue outputs, but you'll need to use the headphone outs on the front that can be used for unbalanced RCA outs. UC & UCX only have the 8 analogue outs, and 2 of these are headphone. I have a UC and have a custom loom with 6 x NP2X (Neutrik TS) and 1 x NP3RX (Neutrik Right Angle TRS) going to 8 x RCA giving me 4 Traktor decks out. Don't get me wrong, the sound is so much better from the Fireface but without my custom loom it would take twice as long to patch in at the gig. I do however find that my TA10 is easier to work with due to all connections I need on the back, with a straight 8x8 RCA loom, with latency at 192 samples working well for me being able to drop things dead on beat with my X1mk2's. From your above statement of "for a total of 18I/O", are you believeing of running the UC with your TA10? If so, it's a massive overkill. As a starting point you'd get away with adding in a TA2mk2 to your TA10 for a total of 14 outputs ... That is unless you're ultimately looking to go with 2 x UC to give you 12 matched analogue outputs, easily racked together and loomed up ready to plug into the 92. This setup would give you some of the lowest latency gear around ... I know that my UC can run at 64 samples without issues although I normally run it at 128 (just one of those peace of mind things). Anyhow, I believe that the TA2mk2 path would be the cheapest easiest way to get it all working first, then maybe look at selling off the TA10 for your first UC, then add a second UC down the track. Or if you're cashed up after Christmas and New Years gigs, get a pair of UC here and now |
| Elicia Michalak 01.01.2014 | Hey guys, Happy new year first of all Resurrecting an old thread, would the liebing setup work with a fireface UC that has only 8 analogs I/O for a total of 18I/O, Or will I need 12 analogs I/O? Thanks, j. |
| Delena Katherman 24.10.2013 | No problem, man. Glad you're getting it sorted out. Have fun! |
| Elicia Michalak 24.10.2013 | Thanks Superfreak, this is what I needed to know! |
| Elicia Michalak 24.10.2013 | Thanks for your help jdownesbaird, Superfreak told me what I needed to know. He understood what I meant. Sorry if I wasn't clear... English is not my mother tongue |
| Temple Cervelli 24.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by j0h4n
I'm not sure what version of Ableton you will need, intro might work, I just use Ableton live 8, private message me on here I can hook you up. I have just upgraded to mavericks OS X 10.9 and have now only just started to have latency problems, otherwise, no. |
| Delena Katherman 24.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by j0h4n
Also, you don't need Ableton Live to get things synced up correctly (assuming you are just trying to sync Traktor and Maschine). |
| Elicia Michalak 24.10.2013 | Thanks Mate, therefore I need to invest in Ableton Live... Wich version should I invest in? Any clue? Is intro enough? Do you have any latency problems with a unique laptop running Ableton with Maschine as a pluggin and Traktor? Ty, J. |
| Temple Cervelli 24.10.2013 | I can help dude. I watched DJTT's 'This is How I Play' Video with Chris Liebing, and it's possible to do that with 1 laptop. I have a MacBook Pro, Traktor Scratch Pro II, Maschine, Ableton, and Xone 92, the same as Chris, and was trying to do it all with Maschine synced to Traktor how i had already done it, (DJ Endo's Traktor and Maschine sync youtube video), but it just wasn't possible, so, I had to sync Traktor and Ableton together, and then open Maschine as a plugin inside of Ableton, and then, you need to run RCA from the Main In of your Traktor Audio 10 going to 1/4 TRS into Aux 1 (or Aux 2) of the Xone 92, and then RCA from the Traktor Audio 10 Main Out, into 1/4 TRS to Return 1 (or Return 2) of Xone 92. Check out the video on how to sync Traktor and Maschine here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...ldehIsCE#at=97 |
| Elicia Michalak 24.10.2013 | Hi jdownesbaird, Very sorry for the nooby questions but I am trying very hard to get as much info from google as I can but sometimes the answers I find are not getting me where I want to go... In this video both Maschine and Traktor are not running on the same computer. One is running traktor, the other one is running Live and Maschine as a pluggin. I didn't know that MIDI didn't carry audio. If
The SYNC magic occurs most likely through Traktor's virtual MIDI
Thanks for your support! J. |
| Delena Katherman 23.10.2013 | I haven't watched the video, but from all your comments it seems like you are confused about MIDI vs. audio channels (you initially mentioned a fictional "MIDI to RCA cable"). MIDI connections don't carry any audio. All you need to "sync" with Traktor is some sort of MIDI connection (doesn't have to be hardware) between the 2 programs that tells Maschine information on BPM, etc. In the video (which, again, I haven't watched) I'm assuming that both Maschine and Traktor are running on the same computer. The SYNC magic occurs most likely through Traktor's virtual MIDI, so the programs are communicating internally. It doesn't matter how he is routing the audio output. These things are independent. |
| Elicia Michalak 23.10.2013 | Hey again, I just checked the Chris Liebing How I play video and was wondering how Maschine could run on the mic/return channels and still be synced with traktor? Also would you invest in ableton (would live, maschine and traktor work on one and only computer)? Or in some hardware effects? I just want to make sure I'm getting the most out of that beast that is the 92. Thanks for your comments and advices! J. |
| Elicia Michalak 23.10.2013 | Many thanks ya'll my new setup is working yo! |
| Temple Cervelli 23.10.2013 | You don't need to use a MIDI cable to sync Maschine and Traktor, you can do as this fella said -
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
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| Delena Katherman 22.10.2013 | Did you set Maschine to sync to external clock? Also, you can skip the MIDI cables and use Traktor's virtual MIDI output to send directly to the Maschine software. |
| Elicia Michalak 22.10.2013 | Many many thanks! Ok routing is working but I am not synced at all... Any clues? I plugged a midi cable from the out of Maschine to the in of the audio 10, then plugged an RCA to the main out of Audio 10 to input D in of Audio 10, then I used another RCA from output D out to channel D of the mixer. Is that correct? The option send midi clock in traktor is ticked and in the audio tab of maschine's audio and midi setting I have the device set up to audio 10. Still I'm not synced... Am i going in the wrong direction? |
| Margaretta Hebenstreit 22.10.2013 | i run the same setup. first of all i would connect the speakers to the mix 1 or mix 2 output so you can use the record out to record. if you connect it to the record out you have no control of the output volume and you can use the record out to actually record your sets, just plug it to an input of your A10 and set it up correspondingly in your traktor preferences. as far as maschine is concered i have it running through deck d in traktor as a live inout so i can put traktors effects over it. maschines output is automatically the main out of the audio 10. use a rca to connect the main out to input D and then connect output D to the leftest channel of your mixer. then put deck D as live input in your traktor preferences. you can easily sync maschine and traktor with letting traktor send midi signal and then sync maschine to external midi. worked without setting up anything for me. |
| Elicia Michalak 22.10.2013 | Ok but the main output of the audio 10 is RCA and I don't have any RCA output on Maschine... Only a midi in and a midi out + USB... This would require an RCA to Midi cable? 0____0? I believe I can sync traktor and maschine using one of the traktor's deck? http://www.traktorbible.com/en/kontr...o_machine.aspx From my perspective I would need to plug the midi in-out of maschine into the audio 10 midi in-out? Correct? I've tried that and it doesn't work :s Do you believe the rest of my setup correctly plugged? I guess yes, but I find that I have latency problems with X1s, is that the Audio NI10 or the usb hub causing these? Thanks for your answers guys, Cheers, J. Many thanks, |
| Petra Arra 21.10.2013 | TRAKTOR_AUDIO_10_SetupExamples_03_esternal-mixer_CE.jpg Like that? connect the main output of the traktor 10 to the return 1 of maschine or consult traktorbible website |
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