Shure M447 Cartridge Trouble
Shure M447 Cartridge Trouble Posted on: 01.08.2013 by Yong Celestino Hi guys,recently I bought a set of Shure M447 cartridges & needles for my Stanton St-150's. I looked on the internet and they were recommended a lot, so I thought it would be a good purchase. However, after I've hooked them up to my turntables, I noticed that they skip frequently, a lot more than my other needle, which is from Ortofon. I already let them break in for a while and I installed according to the manual that came with them. Am I doing something wrong, are these needlse not compatible with Stanton turntables? Please help me out, because I am really believeing about selling them and buying me some Ortofons. | |
| Yong Celestino 09.08.2013 |
Originally Posted by sss18734
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| Yong Celestino 08.08.2013 |
Originally Posted by tothecloudd
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| Elsie Golis 10.08.2013 |
check this Trick, helped me tone down my needle skipping, just don't overdo it with the paper |
| Federico Vilas 10.08.2013 | Then you don't have it set up correctly... This is why it's good to buy them pre-mounted... Vie had mine for over 2 years on same stylus and still going strong |
| Yong Celestino 10.08.2013 | Thanks for the tip, but I don't believe it's because I have heavy hands that they skip, because my other needle (Ortofon) almost never skips. |
| Federico Vilas 09.08.2013 | buy some aluminum clean from ace hardware and put a flattened q-tip in a dremel and clean the contacts and you should be good. I don't have a lot of issues with my 447 carts skipping... you can't scratch with heavy hands...got to have a finess and use more of your wrist then arm or you will wear your ass out |
| Yong Celestino 09.08.2013 | By the way, another problem occurs occasionally. Sometimes when I put the needle on the record, I get this buzzing noise through the speakers and there is only sound coming through 1 speaker (usually the left). I have to disconnect the headshell from the tonearm and screw it back 1 or 2 times and then it's all good again. Does anyone know what this is? Is the tonearm broken? |
| Yong Celestino 09.08.2013 |
Originally Posted by sss18734
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| Yong Celestino 09.08.2013 | Yeah there is a tiny bit of movement, but I don't believe that the needle skips so much because of that. What I do notice however is that the cartridge is very 'wiggely', like it moves from side to side when I scratch. |
| Rufus Ondrick 08.08.2013 | another thing i forgot to ask, is the whole in the middle of your vinyl too big for the turntable spindle? (its the one that's sticking up which holds your vinyl in place) because mine was and it kept skipping so i put paper in the middle to keep it snug and tight which drastically reduced the skipping. idk if changing the headshell will help but im sure it will make a noticeable difference here's a link for the whole being to big thing that im talking about and DJ Q-Bert demonstrates what im trying to explain. |
| Yong Celestino 08.08.2013 |
Originally Posted by tothecloudd
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| Federico Vilas 05.08.2013 | I always set my ttable tonearms as FLAT as possible... = less record wear... what could possibly be happening is that you are putting too much weight on needed which is causing more record wear which causes the cart to skip if you do not clean it off right... i've never angled my carts |
| Erica Charvet 04.08.2013 | When do they skip? During regular playback or when you scratch? Do certain scratches skip more than others? |
| Rufus Ondrick 04.08.2013 |
Originally Posted by CasperW93
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| Delena Katherman 03.08.2013 | Sorry to hijack, but I really do believe this might be relevant. I'm relatively new to vinyl, and when I cue the first beat of a song on one of my 1200s, then move the record back slightly until it's just before the beat, it sometimes goes back 10 seconds or so (as if it's "jumped" back a few grooves on the record"). It's not exactly skipping in the traditional sense, but it isn't behaving the way it's supposed to. I have everything set up correctly for my cartridge as far as I can tell, and everything else works great. Also, this doesn't seem to happen with time code vinyl. Anyone familiar with this phenomenon? |
| Elsie Golis 03.08.2013 | why is angling a bad idea? dj angelo reccomends angling for additional skip resistance |
| Lina Rawie 03.08.2013 | Angling the cart on any tonearm is a bad idea. Here's how I would install M44-7s: - 1. Forget the extra weight that comes with them. Don't use it. 2. Fit the cart to the headshell so it's straight (i.e. not angled) and with the correct overhang. If you don't have an overhang gauge, fitting the cart flush with the end of the headshell is almost always fine (I've never known it not to be). 3. With the motor turned off, drop the needle down on a record. Adjust the tonearm height so that the tonearm is level (i.e. not leaning up or down), then lock it in place. 4. Move the tonearm weight so that it floats/balances. Turn the weight gauge on the tonearm to 0 without turning the weight itself - at this point, the tonearm should still be floating/balancing. Then turn the weight itself to add the required number of grammes for your particular cart. 5. For decks that don't have a straight arm, set the anti-skate to either 0 or to the same value as the weight applied to the tonearm. I've always found that 0 works best. If your decks have a straight tonearm, then anti-skate isn't required and if there's an anti-skate knob, it's only there because the manufacturer also offers a non-straight arm version of the turntable and they haven't modified the design - the knob does nothing with a straight arm. 6. Break the cartridge in. The stylus suspension will need breaking in. You can either drop the needle on a record (with the turntable off) and leave it there over evening - although I'm not convinced that does a lot - or you can just break it in by using it. It doesn't take long. A couple of days usually. |
| Elsie Golis 02.08.2013 |
Originally Posted by djlotus
height 0, 3 grams btw, it's almost unskippable and it never skips when i crank up the weight to 4 but increased record wear obviously |
| Precious Pequignot 02.08.2013 | I bought a new pair not long ago and they skipped quite a bit at first. But they are doing great now. Maybe just play with them abit longer? Used on stanton st150s and technics 1210 mk2s Height 2, anti skate 0, weight 2.5g |
| Yong Celestino 02.08.2013 | I've set the tonearm height at 4.5, anti-skate at 0 and the weight at 3 grams. I thought that should do it, but it still skips quite regularly. In the manual it says to angle the cartridge in a straight line with the pivot point of the tonearm, but it wears the record out much faster so I decided not to do that. Do you guys maybe have some other recommendations on how the setup should be? |
| Ira Alsadi 01.08.2013 | Make sure weight and balance is setup properly, as well as height. DO NOT angle the cart. Especially so in straight tonearms. |
| Brunilda Kora 01.08.2013 | You have them set up wrong. If you've had cartridges that didn't skip, then you installed these, and they've skipped from the start, you've installed them wrong. |
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